The last time I remember being on polar opposite ends of a decision with Mike was when we were engaged. He was dead-set on the mother of his children staying home to raise them, while I had just graduated college and had no intention of giving up my young career just because I birthed a couple of kids. (FYI: his mom was a SAHM during his younger years, mine was a Fortune 100 executive while I went to daycare. Not that we let our upbringing affect us or anything...)
I shared this dilemma with my Bible study friends and they suggested that I pray about it. So I prayed: "Lord, please either change his heart or change mine." If you remember from reading the whole story, my heart was changed. And I can't imagine it any other way.
Almost 11 years later, I am back to praying that same prayer.
A few weeks ago, in the heat of ahuge argument minor disagreement Mike announced that he is done having kids. I was shocked that he made that decision for us...for ME...and felt like I'd been sucker punched.
To give you a quick history, our pregnancy with Jason was a surprise. I wanted one or two more babies, but Mike was still deciding. God took the reigns and made up Mike's mind for him. While I was pregnant, we discussed that if baby #3 was a girl, Mike really wanted to call our family complete. If it was a boy, he was open to having a fourth to try for another girl.
Since having Jason, whenever the conversation of baby #4 has come up (which it does because everyone asks if we're done or going to keep trying for another), Mike has always had the "if" disclaimer in there. Given how uncomfortable he is with the economy and his job security, I assumed that the "if" statements helped keep the pressure off himself. But apparently I heard "when" every time he said "if," and I'm finally realizing that in his mind, the "if" was growing smaller and smaller each time he said it out loud.
Now, this is not going to be a Mike-bashing post, but I feel led to share our situation. The problem is that there's no ability to negotiate with this topic. Either he gets his finalized family of five or we eventually try to have another baby. (or two, but I'm not pushing it...)
As an Accountant, his opinions are often shaped by the financial implications involved. Not only would having another baby cost us dearly during the pregnancy and delivery (our insurance is horrible, so we'd have to pay out of pocket) but Mike sees the long-term dollar signs as well.
Bless his heart, my sweet husband wants to make sure that we support each of our kids through college and help our daughter(s) with her wedding. When he hears, "more kids," he hears, "more cars, more tuitions, more potential weddings." He wants to give them the same opportunities his parents gave him, which were: he lived at home through college, all expenses paid, while he saved his paychecks so he could have enough money to put down on a house after graduation. I'm convinced that his lack of student loans and early real estate investment began the snowball effect for us living a debt-free lifestyle.
Then there's me. I don't worry about our future finances. I have a very freeing child-like faith that trusts that God will provide, as long as we're good stewards with the money we're given. I grew up wanting to "have a few and adopt a few." I don't know when those thoughts formulated, but it's always been my desire to have a larger family.
So we're at an impass. The initial emotion
I felt after Mike made that announcement has subsided, partially because he retracted the fact that he's "done" having kids and now says that he just doesn't want to discuss it for a few years. Fine by me...my uterus has plenty of good years left! And in the meantime, I will continue to pray that God changes his heart. Er...um...OR mine. ;)
(And Kaylin is determined to keep asking God for a baby sister. Pray, girl, pray!!!)

I shared this dilemma with my Bible study friends and they suggested that I pray about it. So I prayed: "Lord, please either change his heart or change mine." If you remember from reading the whole story, my heart was changed. And I can't imagine it any other way.
Almost 11 years later, I am back to praying that same prayer.
A few weeks ago, in the heat of a
To give you a quick history, our pregnancy with Jason was a surprise. I wanted one or two more babies, but Mike was still deciding. God took the reigns and made up Mike's mind for him. While I was pregnant, we discussed that if baby #3 was a girl, Mike really wanted to call our family complete. If it was a boy, he was open to having a fourth to try for another girl.
Since having Jason, whenever the conversation of baby #4 has come up (which it does because everyone asks if we're done or going to keep trying for another), Mike has always had the "if" disclaimer in there. Given how uncomfortable he is with the economy and his job security, I assumed that the "if" statements helped keep the pressure off himself. But apparently I heard "when" every time he said "if," and I'm finally realizing that in his mind, the "if" was growing smaller and smaller each time he said it out loud.
Now, this is not going to be a Mike-bashing post, but I feel led to share our situation. The problem is that there's no ability to negotiate with this topic. Either he gets his finalized family of five or we eventually try to have another baby. (or two, but I'm not pushing it...)
As an Accountant, his opinions are often shaped by the financial implications involved. Not only would having another baby cost us dearly during the pregnancy and delivery (our insurance is horrible, so we'd have to pay out of pocket) but Mike sees the long-term dollar signs as well.
Bless his heart, my sweet husband wants to make sure that we support each of our kids through college and help our daughter(s) with her wedding. When he hears, "more kids," he hears, "more cars, more tuitions, more potential weddings." He wants to give them the same opportunities his parents gave him, which were: he lived at home through college, all expenses paid, while he saved his paychecks so he could have enough money to put down on a house after graduation. I'm convinced that his lack of student loans and early real estate investment began the snowball effect for us living a debt-free lifestyle.
Then there's me. I don't worry about our future finances. I have a very freeing child-like faith that trusts that God will provide, as long as we're good stewards with the money we're given. I grew up wanting to "have a few and adopt a few." I don't know when those thoughts formulated, but it's always been my desire to have a larger family.
So we're at an impass. The initial emotion
(And Kaylin is determined to keep asking God for a baby sister. Pray, girl, pray!!!)















13 comments:
My husband says us having more kids = more stress (him feeling like he needs to work more, less time with the family and less time enjoying life) and therefore is happy with our family of 4. If he wanted more, I'd be fine with it, but he doesn't.
I'm going to make a comment and hope I don't offend you.
I find it interesting you wanted a large family from early on and also had no intentions of being a SAHM.
Back to your current situation: What a hard topic to not have unity on! Keep praying for your hearts and minds to be united on this subject!!
Hang in there, God will make it clear to both of you whether He wants to add another child to your family or not! :-) Just focus on the ones you have been blessed with for now!
We're pretty much in agreement that biologically speaking we'll be done after our 2 boys - my pregnancies are really tough and after our last babe who was a boy (and very fussy I may add) we're not sure we have the energy to go through the infant stage and possibly end up with THREE boys - since odds are we could have another...
We are open to adopting (maybe a toddler aged little girl)in the future, though we're taking it one step at a time, waiting to see what happens with jobs and how the Lord naturally shows us a need, etc.
I think Kendra had the best advice, on focusing on the present - it's great that ya'll can agree to just wait and pray on it for the next few years - I'm sure God will be working just like he did before. :)
That being said, I'll share that we started our family in a challenging financial state and made it work all while allowing me to be a (mostly) SAHM.
Our first son was born just after hubby finished seminary and our 2nd while he was finishing up his PhD. We didn't want to wait too long to have our 2nd due to age spacing so I got a job specifically at Starbucks to get their amazing benefits! You get full coverage (maternity is pretty great) only working 20 hours per week. They are open so many hours (early mornings and/or late nights) it was easy for me to find shifts around my husbands school/work schedule, so that our eldest son still got the marjority of his care at home with one of us.
@SPKarenO - I never thought about it, but I can see how that would seem odd! I guess because when I was growing up, many families were dual income households, so me being a working mom was assumed.
There are times when I just have to keep my mouth shut and ask the Lord to either change my heart or change his, just like your post title. It's SOOOOO hard, though, not to try to make him see my point, which hardly EVER happens. I have to trust the Lord. Looks like you're on the right track. (And it never hurts to have Kaylin going to bat for you...hee hee hee)
Wow, that is an arguement, oops I mean discussion that would be hard to compromise on. Since I have raised my children I can look at the situation at a different perception of a young mom. I know you won't miss money that you don't have, If your children want to go to college they will find a way no matter what finacial help you can give them and who says your children are going to want to have a big wedding (remember mine wanted to elope). I think what you don't (or can't) give your children in material things you will give them in love, security and the sense of family. Having said all that I know if you each try and look at the other one's wishes you will find a way to come to an understanding that you both can live with. If not, you can always paper, rock, scissor it and winner gets to make the decision!!
You could always play Russian Roulette and see what happens. That's how we got Malachi. Haha. Okay, we actually got him, because God wanted him in our family at this time even though the doctors said we wouldn't have anymore from Tony having had chemo.
We're in a flip situation. Tony wants another biological. I am dead set against it but for different reasons than Mike. I have hyperemesis during my pregnancies (with hospitalization and a Zofran pump this last time), so the thought of it freaks me out. The good news for me is that Tony is okay with my no. We have always wanted 3 biological and to adopt 1. We have our 3, so I say, "let's adopt a toddler!" :-)
All that being said, as the leader of your home, Mike's wishes should be respected (not suggesting they aren't being respected). Absolutely, you may pray about it. If Mike's heart is not open to it and God doesn't surprise you again, then that's the way it will be. It sure isn't easy when we're not on the same page as our husbands though. God knows your desires. Just pray for His peace about it in the mean time. God will intervene, if it's meant to be.
That's a good prayer, to want God to change either of your hearts - and whichever is ok with you. :) So far I've been the one that says we're done, but only while I'm pregnant. My husband wants more than our 2, but to wait a little longer between #2 and #3. Which is fine. I think I'll need a break after two toddlers, one right after the other.
Just keep a good attitude about it and look at how darling those kids of yours are!
My husband and I are having the same disscussion. Although we only have one child right now and I big reason why we don't already have another one is do to money and the fact that pregnancy isn't on my top list of things to do for 9 months plus I have to have a c-section again. Funny I just wrote a blog about how people with more then child were only one parents works afford more then one child!
I was laid off of work in early June, and shortly afterwards found out I was pregnant with our first child.
I quickly found a new job, but working and learning a new company (while dealing with nausea and exhaustion is not fun). It is a struggle to go to work each morning.
Hubby has a degree and could get a job tomorrow making three times my salary. However, he wants to go to medical school and is spending his time doing some volunteer work and taking classes that will "look good" on his medical school application. (He also has time to take afternoon naps - which makes me VERY jealous).
"Please change his heart or change mine" is very much the prayer I need to be praying right now. I want Hubby to get a job; he feels that medical school will put us in a better financial place long term. Working at a new job, I have no accumulated sick leave, and fear any pregnancy complications (or even just a cold) that will force me to take unpaid time off.
I don't want to belittle, or diminish my husband. And so, I now pray, "Please God, when it comes to the issue of jobs and employment, please change his heart or change mine."
Thank you so much for sharing Katie.
Katie, this post struck a chord with me too.
My husband and I have been together since we were 16, and even then we were talking about getting married, then "having a couple, adopting a couple." Now we are 36 and 37, and we have 3 kids aged 10, 8 and 4.
Last year, hubs started talking about closing the door to another pregancy, and I was completely caught off guard. I didn't have my little one thinking it would be the end. I didn't nurse her the last time thinking that would be the last time I ever nursed. I found it very hard for a few months. My husband and I talked about it and prayed about it, and ultimately came to the conclusion that we were "done" with having our own, that it was time to reconsider adoption.
Now we are praying for the guidance and ability to adopt 2 children. It's a tough one, but ultimately, we feel very led to do this. The financial side of it has slowed us way down, simply because we don't know how we will afford it, but the spiritual side tells me not to worry; God will provide. So, we continue to pray. Our plan now is to start the ball rolling in the next 6 to 12 months, after we finish getting our ducks in a row.
Keep on praying and asking God to guide your family, and Mike, to lead the decisions according to Hs will. I think it's harder for men to give it over to God, because it's their role to provide for the family.
Either way, if you do it all prayerfully, you can't go wrong.
Blessings and love to all of you.
Trina
I don't know if this is encouragement for you or not, but my hubby said he was done after number 3, too. He was ready to move on to the next phase of our lives and didn't want more children.
Within months, and much prayer (he would pray with me on this very subject...he would tell the Lord of his desire but also told the Lord he was open to His will...we prayed together...even if our hearts weren't aligned on the subject)...we were trying for baby number 4 with glee. ;)
We actively tried for number 5 and were blessed, and then I decided I was done with 5. D.O.N.E. Thank you very much, Lord, I will take it from here. (I was going to homeschool and we moved into a new house, and we were financially doing fantastic!)
Then we had an oops. She is precious and I can't imagine my family without her.
When conversation ensued for number 7...we talked about closing up shop, and decided once again that we were having a great time raising a great family...we were blessed and we would let God decide.
When we have had more financial responsiblity with our kids, God has always provided. (I might add that it is sometimes not in the form we expect)
Lastly, when we were praying about number 8...just praying about it...barely starting thinking about it...well...there he was.
God has given us children when we thought we were done, he has given me children when I was actively trying to prevent (the pill), and he has actually reminded me when hubby and I were "trying" actively... that He was in control of the when and the if.
Be encouraged friend that in Ephesians 5:21 that we are encouraged to submit ourselves one to another...mutual submission. That when we unite in prayer, even on a topic where we disagree...it is always best to let the Lord determine the outcome. ;)
I can't imagine my life without any of my marvelous brood of 8! (But boy am I ready for school to start!)
Love you guys!
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